Well orphan crow. It is your opinion that watchtower is a high control organization. I don't buy into that theory. And you feel it is not a subjective thing, but you say it is an absolute fact. I am not going to argue with you because no matter what all it will devolve I to is an argument about that. I think that there are more important things to dwell on and you don't. Again that is your right to feel what is the most important thing to focus on.
Richard Oliver
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by Richard Oliver ini think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
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by Richard Oliver ini think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
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Outlaw no you have not. You copy and paste and that is it. Use ur own words like a big boy. Explain it to me because according to you I am an idiot.
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by Richard Oliver ini think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
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Please explain how I am making shit up. Do u not just copy the portion of a comment that you feel is relevant to your point. You do that all the time. You must feel that I copied it out of context, then you should say that. And then you should call out everyone who does that. Including the people who do it to me. Or is it just that you don't agree with what I am saying so you think my comments are fair game.
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by Richard Oliver ini think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
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LisaRose. That has been my point. It is human nature to agree with things and people if you already have an inclination to believe it. It is not exclusive to this site or to exJWs but to almost all humans and all human society. It is just that when it cost a small fortune to desminate an idea it limited the amount of theories that floated around. This was both for the benefit and detriment of society. For the benefit because not just anyone with a crazy idea could publish a paper and throw out any wacky idea they may have had. But it also hurt society because only those with money could distribute their ideas. It is just that as human society we still think that if something is published then it must not be an opinion it must be fact. But as we have seen just in the general media that is no longer the case. That as a society and people here have to look for actual facts and not just opinions and feelings masquerading as fact. We have to be more disernive of what is an idea and what is a fact.
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by Richard Oliver ini think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
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Outlaw. You are saying wrong again to what. The simple fact that orphan crow said that, that is pretty easy to verify you can just look at his comment. And if you think he is right, like I said it is an opinion without a way to conduct a real study. I said all it would be is an argument without a reasonable way to prove one way or the other.
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by Richard Oliver ini think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
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Also orphan crow. I doubt not just in the general public, but also in the mental health field that it is far fetched to say that anyone in that field that you survey would be uniformally say that it is a high control organization. Would be a majority say that, I am not sure but I wouldn't take it to the bank on a bet that would happen.
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by Richard Oliver ini think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
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Outlaw.he wrote:
It is because the general public does not have all the facts
The reasonable inference is that if the general public have all the facts than they would form a different opinion.
Outlaw you love to have different rules for people you agree with and those who don't. If some infers a opinion based on what Watchtower, as long as it is negative you would be all for it. And honestly outlaw if you disagree with me I couldn't careless. I don't think any statement I make you wouldn't find a issue with that. And just to be clear that is not a fact but is my opinion.
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by Richard Oliver ini think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
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Orphan crow. You are twisting my words. Please read what I said. I said that it is far fetched to believe that if you conducted a survey of the general public, after telling those people what you want, that automatically those people would unionformally call Watchtower a high control organization. Did I say that you cannot convince people, or present facts that would get people to accept that? I never said that. So just as previously you don't want me to put words in your mouth, please do the same to me, don't put words in my mouth.
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Not a sympathizer
by Richard Oliver ini think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
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Great teacher. It is not contridiction. I never presented my opinion as a fact. Even scientist, and I am not saying I am, has opinions but they don't try and present their opinion as faceted. When I presented something that was an opinion, I predicated it with saying it is my opinion and that I can only speak to my own opinion or experience. I said that people have the right to their opinion or feelings but that doesn't mean it is a fact. No one should try and present their opinion as fact. Not watchtower not people here and not me. If I have an opinion and tried to pass it off as a fact please let me know and I will apologize for that.
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by Richard Oliver ini think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
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Orphan crow. If you read my whole comments. I said even if you tell the general public anything you want. I knew what your argument would be. But you think that even if you presented, whatever facts, not opinions, that it would be automatic that the majority of the general public would say Watchtower is a high control organisation. If you do, again that is your opinion, but personally I find that far fetched. And since it is impossible to study it, all it would be is an argument with no way to prove one way or the other.